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Get the Government out of Marriage and Most Everything Else Too!

Get the Government out of Marriage and Most Everything Else Too!

I was at dinner the other night and someone, knowing my penchant for history and religion, asked me about monogamy and why the Bible teaches only one man and one woman.  They were shocked when I said that many in the Bible had multiple spouses and concubines.  The New Testament, through Paul, encourages you to dedicate yourself to God and not take a mate, but to be married if you would be carried away by lust without a spouse.  Better to have someone to mate with than to try to be celibate if you are unable.  For most of human existence, marriage was ONLY a religious institution.  I have tried in vain so far to see where it crossed over into a governmental regulation.

Getting government involved in anything we don’t have to always results in a loss of liberty.  Marriage should remain a religious only ceremony.  If your religion prohibits same sex marriage, so be it.  If your religion, or lack thereof, allows it, so be it.  That is real freedom.  People like me that are right-wing Christian fundamentalists should avoid having the government get involved.  If they can force a system of beliefs on some, they will do it to us as well.  We need to let people live by their choices, that is why God gave us free will in the first place.  Neither side should fun to Big Government to limit freedoms of others.

If government wants to pay for birth control, they should not force Catholics to pay for it.  I personally disagree with Catholics, but I don’t want them to lose their freedoms.  If same sex couples want to get married by a willing person with the proper paperwork to marry them, so be it.  I don’t want them to lose their freedom either.  I don’t want the government to take away our guns, tell us who we can marry, how we can worship, who we can hire, what we can pay them, what light bulbs we can buy, how much our toilet can flush, when we can use a fireplace, or a million other invasive things they do now.

We are the frogs in the pot, with the temperature slowly rising and we do not jump out before we are cooked.  When will we stop fighting through government to limit others, and wake-up and fight together to limit government power?  We need to return to a government OF the people, BY the people, FOR the people.  I have faith in my fellow men and women that we can live our lives the way we wish without a nanny government deciding everything for us.

I am for freedom, personal liberty, and your ability to make your own choices, whether I agree with them or not.  I want the same in return.  Neither of us will get it if a nameless, faceless bureaucrat decides for us.

 

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Top 10 Snipers in History

Top 10 Snipers in History

by , November 13, 2009
‘It was night and low visibility, but I saw a guy with an AK-47 lit up by the porch light in a doorway about 400 meters away. I watched him through the sights. He looked like just another Iraqi. I hit him low in the stomach and dropped him.’ – Specialist James Wilks, 25, from Fort Worth, Texas. Concealment is key to becoming a great sniper. Highly trained marksmen who can shoot accurately from incredible distances with specialized training in high-precision rifles. In addition, they are trained in camouflage, field craft, infiltration, reconnaissance and observation, making them perhaps the most feared military presence in a war. Below is my list of top ten snipers in history and some of the greatest shots ever fired.10
Thomas Plunkett
died in 1851

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Was an Irish soldier in the British 95th Rifles. What makes him on of the greats is that he shot a very impressive French general, Auguste-Marie-François Colbert.

During the battle at Cacabelos during Monroes retreat in 1809, Plunkett, using a Baker Rifle, shot the French general at a range of about 600 meters. Giving the incredible inaccuracy of rifles in the early 19th century, this was either a very impressive feat, or one hell of a fluke. Well Plunkett not wanting his army buddies to think he was a bit lucky decided to take the shot again before returning to his line. So he reloaded his gun and took aim once again this time at the trumpet major who had come to the generals aid. When this shot also hit its intended target, proving that Plunkett is just one badass marksman, he looked back to his line to see the impressed faces of the others in the 95th Rifles.

Just for comparison the British soldiers were all armed with ‘Brown Bess muskets’ and trained to shoot into a body of men at 50 meters. Plunkett did 12 times that distance. Twice.9

Sgt Grace
4th Georgia Infantry

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The date was May 9th 1864, when Sgt Grace, a Confederate sniper, achieved what was considered to be an incredible shot at the time, and what is definitely the most ironic demise of a target in history. It was during the battle of Spotsylvania when Grace took aim with his British Whitworth Rifle. His target was General John Sedgwick (pictured above) and the distance was 1,000 yards. An extremely long distance for the time. During the beginning of the skirmish, the confederate sharpshooters were causing Sedgwick’s men to duck for cover. Sedgwick refused to duck and was quoted saying “What? Men dodging this way for single bullets? What will you do when they open fire along the whole line? I am ashamed of you. They couldn’t hit Elephants at this distance.” His men persisted in taking cover. He Repeated “They couldn’t hit elephants at this distance” Seconds Later Grace’s shot hits Sedgwick just under his left eye.

I swear you couldn’t write it. Sedgwick was the highest ranking Union casualty in the civil war and upon hearing his death Lt. Gen. Ulysses S. Grant repeatedly asked “Is he really dead”.

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Charles ‘Chuck’ Mawhinney
1949-

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103 Confirmed Kills

Was an avid hunter as a kid and joined the Marines in 1967. He served in the U.S. Marine Corps during Vietnam and holds the record for number of confirmed kills for Marine snipers, exceeding that of legendary Marine sniper Carlos Hathcock. In just 16 months he killed 103 enemies and another 216 kills were listed as probable’s by the military, only because it was too risky at the time to search the bodies for documents. When he left the Marines he told no-one of his of his role during the conflict and only a few fellow Marines knew of his assignments. It was nearly 20 years before somebody wrote a book detailing his amazing skills as a sniper. Mawhinney came out of anonymity because of this and became a lecturer in sniper schools. He was once quoted saying “it was the ultimate hunting trip: a man hunting another man who was hunting me. Don’t talk to me about hunting lions or elephants; they don’t fight back with rifles and scopes. I just loved it. I ate it up.”

A routinely deadly shot from distances between 300 – 800 yards, Mawhinney had confirmed kills of over 1000 yards, making him one of the greatest snipers of the Vietnam war.

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Rob Furlong

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A former corporal of the Canadian Forces, he holds the record for the longest confirmed sniper kill in history at 1.51 miles or 2,430 metres. That’s the length of about 26 football pitches.

This amazing feat occurred in 2002, when he was involved in Operation Anaconda. His Sniper Team consisted of 2 Corporals and 3 Master Corporals. When a three man Al-Qaeda weapons team moved into a mountainside position he took aim. Furlong was armed with a .50-caliber McMillan Brothers Tac-50 Rifle and loaded with A-MAX very low drag bullets. He fired and missed. His second shot hit the enemies knapsack on his back. He had already fired his third shot by the time the second hit, but now the enemy knew he was under attack. The airtime for each bullet was about 3 seconds due to the immense distance, enough time for an enemy to take cover. However the dumbfounded militant realised what was happening just in time to take the third shot in the chest.

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Vasily Zaytsev
March 23, 1915 – December 15, 1991

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242 Confirmed Kills

Zaytsev is probably the best known Sniper in history thanks to the movie ‘Enemy At The Gates’. It is a great film and I wish I could say it was all true. However the truth only goes as far as the battle of Stalingrad. There was no Nazi Counter-Sniper Specialist in real life. Well not to the extent of the film. Here’s the truth. Zaytsev was born in Yeleninskoye and grew up in the Ural Mountains. His surname means ‘hare‘. Before Stalingrad, he served as a clerk in the Soviet Navy But after reading about the conflict in the city he volunteered for the front line. he served in the 1047th Rifle Regiment. Zaytsev ran a sniper school in the Metiz factory. The cadets he trained were called Zaichata, meaning ‘Leverets’ (Baby Hares). This was the start of the sniper movement in the 62nd army. It is estimated that the snipers he trained killed more than 3,000 enemy soldiers

Zaytsev himself made 242 confirmed kills between October 1942 and January 1943, but the real number is probably closer to 500. I know I said there was no counter-sniper, but there was Erwin Kónig. Was alleged to be a highly skilled Wehrmacht sniper. Zaytsev claimed in his memoirs that the duel took place over a period of three days in the ruins of Stalingrad. Details of what actually happened are sketchy, but by the end of the three day period Zaytsev had killed the sniper and claimed his scope to be his most prized trophy. For him to make this his most prized trophy means that this person he killed must have been almost as good as Zaytsev himself.

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Lyudmila Pavlichenko
July 12, 1916 – October 10, 1974

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309 Confirmed Kills

In June 1941, Pavlichenko was 24 and Nazi Germany were invading the Soviet Union. She was among the first volunteers and asked to join the infantry. she was assigned to the Red Armies 25th infantry Division. From there she became one of 2000 female snipers of the soviet.

Her first 2 kills were made near Belyayevka using a Mosin-Nagant bolt action rifle with a P.E. 4-power scope. The first action she saw was during the conflict in Odessa. She was there for 2 and a half months and notched 187 kills. When they were forced to relocate, she spent the next 8 months fighting in Sevastopol on the Crimean Peninsula. There she recorded 257 kills and for this feat she was cited by the Southern Army Council. Pavlichenkos’ total confirmed kills during WW2 was 309. 36 of those were enemy snipers.

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Corporal Francis Pegahmagabow
March 9, 1891 – August 5, 1952

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378 Confirmed kills
300+ Captures

Three times awarded the military medal and twice seriously wounded, he was an expert marksman and scout, credited with 378 German kills and capturing 300+ more. He was an Ojibwa warrior with the Canadians in battles like those at mount sorrel. As if killing nearly 400 Germans wasn’t enough, he was also awarded medals for running messages through very heavy enemy fire, for directing a crucial relief effort when his commanding officer was incapacitated and for running through enemy fire to get more ammo when his unit was running low.

Though a hero among his fellow soldier, he was virtually forgotten once he returned home to Canada. Regardless he was one of the most affective snipers of world war 1.

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Adelbert F. Waldron
March 14, 1933 – October 18, 1995

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109 confirmed kills

He holds the record for the highest number of confirmed kills for any American sniper in history. However it is not just his impressive kill record that makes him one of the best, but also his incredible accuracy.

This excerpt from ‘Inside the Crosshairs: Snipers in Vietnam’ by Col. Michael Lee Lanning, describes just what I’m talking about:

“One afternoon he was riding along the Mekong River on a Tango boat when an enemy sniper on shore pecked away at the boat. While everyone else on board strained to find the antagonist, who was firing from the shoreline over 900 meters away, Sergeant Waldron took up his sniper rifle and picked off the Vietcong out of the top of a coconut tree with one shot (this from a moving platform). Such was the capability of our best sniper.” Nuff Said.

If there was a scale of difficulty for shots like these, it would be next to impossible to beat. well lets try to do that anyway.

Here’s ‘white feather’….

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Carlos Norman Hathcock II
May 20, 1942 – February 23, 1999

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Nicknamed ‘Lông Trung du Kich’ (‘White Feather Sniper’)

93 Confirmed kills

Hathcock has one of the most impressive mission records of any sniper in the Marine corps. Lets forget about the dozens of shooting championships he won, during the Vietnam war he amassed 93 confirmed kills. The Vietnam army put a $30,000 bounty on his life for killing so many of their men. Rewards put on U.S. snipers by the NVA (North Vietnamese Army) typically amounted to….say $8.

It was Hathcock who fired the most famous shot in sniper history. He fired a round, over a very long distance, which went through the scope of an enemy sniper, hit him in the eye, and killed him. Hathcock and Roland Burke his spotter were stalking the enemy sniper, (which had already killed several Marines) which they believed was sent to kill him specifically. When Hathcock saw a flash of light reflecting off the enemies scope he fired at it in a split second pulling off one of the most precise shots in history. Hathcock reasoned that the only way that this was possible, would have been if both snipers were aiming at each others scopes at the same time, and he fired first. However, although the distance was never confirmed, Hathcock knew that because of the flight time, it would have been easy for both snipers to kill each other. The white feather was synonymous with Hathcock (He kept one in his hat) and he removed it only once for a mission. Keep in mind that he volunteered for this mission, but he had to crawl over 1500 yards of enemy territory to shoot an NVA commanding general. Information wasn’t sent until he was on-route. (He volunteered for a mission he knew nothing about) It took 4 days and 3 nights without sleep of inch-by-inch crawling. One enemy soldier almost stepped on him as he laid camouflaged in a meadow. At another point he was nearly bitten by a viper, he didn’t flinch. He finally got into position and waited for the general. When he arrived Hathcock was ready. He fired one round and hit the general through the chest killing him. The soldiers started a search for the sniper and Hathcock had to crawl back to avoid detection. They never caught him. Nerves of steel.

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Simo Häyhä
December 17, 1905 – April 1, 2002

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Nicknamed ‘The White Death’

705 confirmed kills (505 with rifle, 200 with submachine gun)

Was a Finnish soldier who, using an iron sighted bolt action rifle, amassed the highest recorded confirmed kills as a sniper in any war…ever!!

Häyhä was born in the municipality of Rautjärvi near the present-day border of Finland and Russia, and started his military service in 1925. His duties as a sniper began during the ‘winter war’ (1939-1940) between Russia and Finland. During the conflict Häyhä endured freezing temperatures up to -40 degrees Celsius. In less than 100 days he was credited with 505 confirmed kills, 542 if including unconfirmed kills, however the unofficial frontline figures from the battlefield places the number of sniper kills at over 800. Besides his sniper kills he was also credited with 200 from a Suomi KP/31 Submachine gun, topping off his total confirmed kills at 705.

How Häyhä did all this was amazing. He was basically on his own all day, in the snow, shooting Russians, for 3 months straight. Of course when the Russians caught wind that a shit load of soldiers were being killed, they thought ‘well this is war, there’s bound to be casualties’. But when the generals were told that it was one man with a rifle they decided to take a bit of action. first they sent in a counter-sniper. When his body was returned they decided to send in a team of counter-snipers. When they didn’t come back at all they sent in a whole goddamn battalion. They took casualties and couldn’t find him. Eventually they ordered an artillery strike, but to no avail. You see Häyhä was clever, and this was his neck of the woods. He dressed completely in white camouflage. He used a smaller rifle to suit his smaller frame (being 5ft3) increasing his accuracy. he used an iron sight to present the smallest possible target (a scoped sight would require the sniper to raise his head for sighting). He compacted the snow in front of the barrel, so as not to disturb it when he shot thus revealing his position. He also kept snow in his mouth so his breath did not condense and reveal where his was. Eventually however his was shot in the jaw by a stray bullet during combat on March 6 1940. He was picked up by his own soldiers who said half his head was missing. He didn’t die however and regained consciousness on the 13th, the day peace was declared.

Once again total kills…. 505 sniper + 200 submachine = 705 total Confirmed Kills…all in less that 100 days.

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Amazing Light and Shadow Sculptures by Diet Wiegman

reposted from The Chive.  These art sculptures are amazing.  They are made of things that look like nothing in particular, but if a light is shined or reflected a certain way, they create a pattern of light and shadow that reveals the genius of the artist.  These are by Diet Wiegman, link shown below.

Unbelievable light sculptures by Diet Wiegman (28 Photos)

MARCH 22, 2013

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These amazing shadow sculptures by Diet Wiegman

Via Diet Wiegman

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One Big Shotgun

Most of you have probably never heard of the “punt gun.”  It was the world’s largest shotgun, and I do mean LARGE, placed in a “punt” or small flat-bottom boat.  The purpose?  It was used for “fowling” or basically shooting wild birds like ducks for resale as food.  If your last name is Fowler, perhaps one of your ancestors did this for a living.  A punt gun could kill up to 50 ducks in one shot.  The crew of one or two would push their punt silently along to a group of fowl.  They had to point the gun by lining up the punt to be pointed at their target.  Then BOOM!

Enjoy these pictures of a gun used primarily in the 19th and 20th centuries before such use was consider unsporting.

 

punt is a flat-bottomed boat with a square-cut bow, designed for use in small rivers or other shallow water. Punting refers to boating in a punt. The punter generally propels the punt by pushing against the river bed with a pole. A punt should not be confused with a gondola, which is propelled by an oar rather than a pole.

Punts were originally built as cargo boats or platforms for fowling and angling, but in modern times their use is almost exclusively confined to pleasure trips.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punt_gun

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Before Lady Gaga, Before Madonna – Peggy Moffitt

Even today, many of these styles would be avant garde and Peggy Moffitt wore them in the 1960’s, yep, fifty years ago when men dressed like the movie Men-in-black, the Civil Rights Movement was in full swing, and America was trying to catch up with the Soviets in the space race.  Most important was the Summer of ’63, at least personally, because I was born…

An homage to Peggy Moffitt

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“Peggy Moffitt (born 1940) was during the 1960s a premier model. She developed a signature style that featured heavy, Kabuki-like makeup and an asymmetrical hair cut.”

– Wikipedia

As a warning for young folks, the following Wikipedia post has a topless shot of Peggy. Not sure why they did that out of all her pictures, but it has good information on her.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peggy_Moffitt

 

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Seven Masted Schooner – 1902

1902:

The Thomas W. Lawson

“The Thomas W. Lawson was a seven-masted schooner originally planned for the Pacific trade but used primarily to haul coal and oil along the East Coast of the United States. The ship was the largest pure sailing vessel ever built.

“Her design and purpose was an ultimately unsuccessful bid to keep sailing ships competitive with steam ships” 

– Wikipedia

Sources: Boston Public Library

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Celebrating the “Nutty” Artistry of Steve Casino

Celebrating the amazing and “nutty” artwork of Steve Casino, “painter of nuts.”  Here is a link to his site showing his hand crafted peanut shell artistry.  Following are some samples from this site.  Pretty cool.  My ongoing effort to highlight artists with unique styles or materials.  Earlier posts include jelly bean art, fractal images, book art, etc.  Typing “art” into the search box on the Home page should bring most of them up.

http://stevecasino.com/

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Smart Faith Conference

If discussion of religious belief bothers you, skip this post.

Are you a Christian, a questioning believer or an agnostic?  I don’t want to preach to you at all.  But many of us Christian believers are also scientific and still believe completely.  In this world, people of faith are increasingly viewed as backward for their beliefs.  If you want an honest examination of these issues and want to hear them discussed, some fellow Steampunk fans of mine, Davina White and Kathleen Hill told me of a great conference coming up.  The Smart Faith Conference exams Christianity in a world of science that makes some question their faith.

It will be the evening of June 7th, and all day June 8th here in Phoenix, Arizona.

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If you read this blog, you know I am heavily into science, astrophysics and ancient history.  I have three science degrees, one in computer science, one in electronic engineering and one in economics.  I write both science fiction and science fact columns for magazines.  Everyone finds themselves asking why am I here?  Is this all there is?  What happens when I die?  All of science and faith comes down to one question – Did it just happen, or was their a Designer, a Creator?  To me, both theories are unprovable and the science supports both.  (Which my reasoning could be a whole book.)  My son is studying to become a bio-chemical engineer and we had a very good discussion.  He is at the age where he questions his faith.  He is young, in college, taking science, all hostile to beliefs.  I was there, I know.

Do you believe what you believe because you grew up that way, or is it a rational thought?  Everyone has to decide for themselves.  Faith is a choice.  There will be no proof.  However, all I know leads me to think a Creator is more likely than random chance.  Many of my smart friends disagree with me.  If you are interested in hearing about “smart faith” I encourage you to register for this conference.

http://www.smartfaith.org/

 

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Government Wastes Money on Bizarre Projects

While running up record national debt, releasing over 2,200 convicted felon illegal aliens and cutting military and domestic programs due to “the sequester,”  the federal government continues to fund programs that are laughable.  My favorite frustration is the over half a million dollars spent to see how brine shrimp react to getting tired on a treadmill…  Appropriate that brine shrimp is abbreviated BS!   The US Senate just proposed its first budget in four years.  It repeals most of the $85 billion in cuts, increases the rate of spending by another $100 Billion, and raises taxes by over $1 Trillion!  More in the re-posted story below:

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Feds fund ecoATM, Robo-squirrel despite warnings about chronic disease research cuts

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Published March 16, 2013

FoxNews.com

The federal government is ready to pay people $45,900 to attend an annual snowmobile competition in Michigan for the next two years.

They’re also ready to shell out $516,000 for scientists to develop an ecoATM that will give out cash in exchange for old cell phones and other electronics. And why not drop another $349,862 for a study that looks at the effects of meditation and self-reflection for math, science and engineering majors?

These are just a few of the 164 grants the National Science Foundation approved two weeks ago. Yet around the same time, the administration was warning that the sequester would cut into critical research on chronic diseases.

While some of the less critical grant ideas were scrapped as the NSF looked for ways to scale back and prioritize, the number of allegedly frivolous grants still in play is not sitting well with Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma.

The GOP senator has been on a campaign to call out what he sees as pockets of wasteful government spending. Since the sequestration took effect March 1, he’s sent 11 letters to various department heads highlighting places where they can fiscally trim down.

In a letter to NSF director Subra Suresh, Coburn suggested cutting the grants above along with nine others, including a $515,468 grant used, in part, to study how a shrimp running on a treadmill responds to alterations in oxygen and carbon dioxide levels.

“These may be interesting questions to ponder or explore, but just because each is currently being supported by NSF should not mean guaranteed future funding if new applications with greater merit or potential are submitted,” Coburn wrote in his March 12 letter. “I appreciate your agency’s commitment to continuing grants, but ensuring the most promising new research can be supported next year may require ending or reducing spending on lower priority grants now being funded. Robo-squirrel may have survived its encounters with the rattlesnake but it may have met its match in sequestration if we hope to provide support for more promising scientific projects.”

“Robo-squirrel” has long been criticized by Coburn as a big government boondoggle. Researchers at San Diego State University used funds from a $325,000 grant provided by the government-bankrolled NSF to invent a robotic squirrel used for researchers. Coburn has used robo-squirrel as an example multiple times as a government program that needs to be cut.

NSF spokeswoman Dana Topousis told FoxNews.com Friday that they receive 40,000 to 50,000 proposals a year. Of those, 10,000 to 11,000 get funded. Topousis says decisions are based on two criteria – “intellectual merit” and the “broader impacts”, which addresses the benefits of the proposed study to society.

She also says Coburn shouldn’t get caught up with the quirky names of the projects but try to see beyond it.  One of the most successful projects the NSF has had a hand in was one in 1996 called “BackRub,” a search engine research project by Stanford University students Larry Page and Sergey Brin.

“BackRub sounds ridiculous but if we didn’t take a chance on it things would be a lot different today,” she said.

In 1997, BackRub changed its name to Google.

Still, others argue that a few success stories don’t make it ok for the NSF to spend taxpayer money. Shortly before the sequester took effect, the administration warned that up to 12,000 scientists and students could be impacted by the cuts due to reduced NSF research grants. The administration also warned about cutbacks at the National Institutes of Health, which “would delay progress on the prevention of debilitating chronic conditions … and delay development of more effective treatments for common and rare diseases affecting millions of Americans.”

But Coburn, among those who say the administration is taking unnecessary measures to comply with the sequester, says there are plenty of other ways to save.

Another program Coburn calls out is “Snooki” — a robot bird that impersonates a female sage grouse to examine the importance of courtship tactics of males.

“Every dollar spent on projects such as these could have instead supported research to design a next-generation robotic limb to treat injured war heroes or a life-saving hurricane detection system,” Coburn writes in his letter.

Coburn said the number of new research grants could be reduced by as many as 1,000.

Through audits and investigations, the NSF Inspector General identified more than $309 million in questionable and poorly spent funds in just the second half of fiscal year 2012.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/16/funding-for-robo-squirrel-and-ecoatm-are-among-projects-gop-senator-wants-cut/#ixzz2NqeSgKwi

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Warning for Tonight: Guinness Beer NOT Vegetarian…

Guinness’ Fish Bladder Problem: Ingredient Used In Brewing Process Means It’s Not Quite Vegetarian

The Huffington Post  |  By Posted: 03/14/2013 5:52 pm EDT  |  Updated: 03/15/2013 5:16 pm EDT

 
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As St. Patrick’s Day creeps closer, so does the promise of corned beef and cabbage, green beer and, of course, Guinness. But some vegetarian and vegan revelers might want to reconsider that thick, creamy Irish stout — it could contain trace amounts of fish bladders.

Smithsonian.com’s Food&Think blog published on Wednesday an in-depth explanation of isinglass, a form of collagen culled from a dried swim bladder, an internal fish organ that helps regulate buoyancy in water. It’s used in a process calledfining — when unwanted leftovers, like solid particles and degenerated yeast cells, are removed from the brewing process. These elements settle on their own to the bottom of a cask in a jelly-like clump, but isinglass quickens the process and makes them easier to remove.

The use of isinglass as a fining agent isn’t exactly new, and it’s not exactly news. While many beers and wines use gelatin instead of isinglass these days (those beverages aren’t vegan, either), Guinness still uses it in much the same way it has since the mid- to late-19th century. And publications and blogs have been taking noteof it for some time now.

Still, it remains largely unknown to the greater public, likely because Guinness doesn’t publicize it. Isinglass is not listed as an ingredient on Guinness’ website, nor is it listed on the bottle. (In the U.S., alcoholic beverages are not required to list ingredients on labels.)

The vegan beer, wine and spirits website Barnivore delved into the issue in 2011 and 2012, and published its email correspondence with Guinness on its website. In a correspondence dated November 2011, an email from Guinness stated that “Guinness Black Lager is not suitable for vegetarians.” A later email from February 2012 goes into more depth:

In answer to your query however, we do use isinglass, a by product of the fishing industry, for fining all Guinness brewed beers. Isinglass is used widely in the brewing industry although it is extensively refined before use. Its sole purpose is as a fining agent to help remove yeast from our beer, while we accept that some minor traces of isinglass may subsequently remain in the finished product.We are very happy with the technical performance of isinglass in removing yeast although we are conscious that its use may represent a barrier to consumption of our products to some. As part of our ongoing efforts to further improve the way we make our products, we are seeking alternatives to isinglass. To date, we have not found any alternative that is as effective and as environmentally friendly as isinglass for our product. 

A Guinness representative confirmed to The Huffington Post that isinglass is used to make Guinness during the brewing process, but declined to comment on the company’s reaction to vegetarians and vegans who don’t know about the details of the process.

Regulators in some nations, including Canada and the U.K., have pushed to make it a requirement for alcohol companies to list things like isinglass on their products’ bottles. It’s part of a broader effort in these countries to provide accurate information to people who have allergies, severe food intolerances and diet preferences.

Yet some experts think the issue is overblown, such as Beppi Crosariol of the Globe and Mail, who wrote in 2011 that “it’s a stretch to call such substances ingredients.” In writing about winemaking, he reasoned that isinglass and other fining agents are used to manufacture the product; they’re “not mixed like preservatives or flavourings,” she said.

Still, people whose diets prohibit the consumption of animal-based products — or people with severe allergies, for that matter — may not think that’s a valid reason not to disclose the use of fining agents.

Take for instance, the public’s response to news in early 2012 that Starbucks colored some strawberry-flavored drinks with cochineal extract, a bright red dye made from crushed cochineal beetles. Some vegans and vegetarians were outraged, and Starbucks promptly announced it would replace the dye with a tomato-based ingredient called lycopene.

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